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Caesars Windsor Craps Tables, poker reraise minimum, poker agraria futsal, casino st gilles croix de vie animation. As of July 2016, the Caesars Palace hotel has 3,976 rooms and suites in six towers and a 300,000-square-foot convention facility. From its inception, Caesars has geared its focus toward attracting high rollers. The modern casino facilities include table games such as blackjack, craps, rouellette as well as a 4,500-square-foot 24-hour poker room. All of them I have played, had the same odds and payouts as the live games. One thing I liked, it pays the place bets at correct odds for any amounts, down to the penny. If for any reason you decided to play a field bet, the Vegas casinos all have just 2X on both 2-12. The Reno ones have 3X on 12.

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NB: This entry is as complete as I can make it. If you have any comments, suggestions, or additions, feel free to add them below.
History: There are four full-service casinos in the Detroit area. All are within three miles of each other on both sides of the Detroit/Windsor international border. Three are on the American side, and one is on the Canadian side. MGM Grand Detroit, Greektown Casino Hotel, and Motor City Hotel and Casino are the Detroit properties. Detroit is nobody's idea of a vacation destination, but it is a top-ten metropolitan area and has all the big city amenities you'd expect. At one time it was the fourth-largest city in the nation. The downtown is quite pleasant with some nice architecture and museums, but just outside of downtown you will run into some very decrepit, abandoned areas. It can be interesting if you wish to see the post-apocalyptic future of urban America. Caesars Windsor is right on the river in downtown Windsor, Ontario. Windsor is a smaller, more manageable city with a modicum of Canadian charm, but is not without its problems just like Detroit. Caesars Windsor (formerly Casino Windsor) was the first casino in the Detroit area back in 1995 and precipitated the casino boom in Detroit. Interestingly, the Detroit casino market has posted month-over-month revenue increases since casino gaming began in 1999. In that respect it is one of the healthiest gaming jurisdictions in the country.
General Features: Three out of the four Detroit casinos are as nice as anything you would find on the Las Vegas Strip. MGM Grand Detroit is comparable to Aria or Red Rock decor-wise. Greektown Casino is dumpy but in a fun way, similar to O'Sheas. They are in receivership after a lengthy bankruptcy and are being run by the Isle of Capri casino group. You will get the same experience here as you would on a Mississippi or Indiana riverboat. Motor City goes for the hip, modern vibe and tilts its marketing efforts towards the African-American consumer. They are the only locally-owned property. Caesars Windsor is owned by the Province of Ontario and is run with governmental efficiency. They are operated by Harrah's.
Hotels: The Detroit casinos each have their own 400-room hotel tower. Caesars has two hotel towers for a total of 740 rooms. I have stayed in all except MGM. Motor City has ultra-modern rooms with high-tech controls and amenities like a floor-to-ceiling armoire unit (similar to Bellagio) and soaking tubs. I would rate this hotel a 5-star for decor. There is a business center with three computers and free internet and printing. There are also self-serve check-in kiosks, so no waiting in line. I have seen rooms advertised for $129, which is a great value, in my opinion.
Greektown has a very nice hotel tower that is similar to the Palms with a very narrow architectural footprint. The rooms are very economically designed (space-wise, not $ wise), and are done in a Scandinavian style. I found the decor and layout to be very pleasing. The views are great and you can see into Comerica Field where the Tigers play. The bathrooms are small but the layout is intuitive, and is reminiscent of a fancy train compartment or deluxe airplane. There are no tubs, only showers. TV's are flat-screen, and there are coffee makers with to-go cups available. Greektown advertises their rooms at $99 a night but frequently offers them to players' club members at $69. I think this is a great value. There is no pool at Greektown, but there is a fitness room.
Caesars Windsor has two hotel towers. The newer tower is the Augustus tower, which was built in such a way that every room overlooks the river and the Detroit skyline. The rooms are designed in the grey/blue Caesars style. I find this look rather cold and un-cozy. Bathrooms have a separate tub/shower. Flat screen TVs, coffee makers and mini-fridges are provided. Also complimentary copies of the Windsor Star are available on every floor. The Forum tower is the older tower and is directly above the casino. Only half the rooms here overlook the river. Otherwise, everything available in the Augustus tower is available here. The pool/fitness room/sauna complex is located here. Rooms go for $100CDN at the minimum, often higher, which I think is expensive. There is a business center, but fees are charged for every service.
I have not stayed at the MGM but they command the highest prices in the Detroit area, regularly $200+ for a standard room. I hear their rooms are fantastic.
Food: MGM has the highest-end and greatest variety of in-house food options of the Detroit properties. However, all their restaurants are quite expensive and comps are hard to come by. Wolfgang Puck has a restaurant. Bourbon Steak is the steak house. Palette is a 'dining studio' (read: buffet), and Breeze is an upscale food court. I have eaten at Breeze, and the food I got was great. I would say it is worth the price. There is an Asian station, an American station, and I think an Italian station among others. There is also a Starbucks on property, as well as numerous bars. The fabulous decor of the casino itself extends into the restaurants, and I would recommend checking them out for eye candy alone. The theme is Art Moderne which I don't think has been done before in any casino resort. (think Gotham City from the original 'Batman' movie.)
Motor City's food options run from fair to middling. They should really upgrade their food options which are quite un-extensive for a casino resort with $35 million in monthly revenue. There is a Little Caesars pizza outlet (Motor City's owners also own the Little Caesars corporation), a short-order grill that serves hamburgers and sandwiches, and a small coffee stand. None of the outlets are open 24 hours and in fact many of them are closed at inopportune times. There are times when your options are limited to the grill only at certain mealtimes. There is also a sit-down deli called 'Grand River Deli' which is open on weekends only and serves deli fare. I have not eaten there. There is a buffet, 'Assembly Line,' which I have also not tried. Prices run on the high side, $27 for dinner and less at lunch. There is also a fine dining restaurant called 'Iridescence' which is located on the top floor of the hotel and is open weekends.
CaesarsGreektown has one in-house restaurant, in the hotel, but will give you a comp ticket to any restaurant in the Greektown neighborhood. There are about twenty restaurants to choose from. I think this is a fantastic idea. You are not limited to staying on property and can take your pick from a multitude of Greek, Mexican, Italian and other restaurant options. I have yet to have a bad meal at any of the Greektown-affiliated restaurants. There is a Cold Stone Creamery on property, as well as a Five Guys Burgers and Fries. Your only choices in the casino itself are snack carts selling hot dogs and such, so for a sit-down meal you must go to the hotel or get a food chit for a partner restaurant. Greektown also has a buffet that costs $10/lunch and $15/dinner. I've heard it is substandard food.
Caesars Windsor has the usual suspects: Steak house, buffet, sports bar, Starbucks, coffee shop, and snack bar. They are all significantly overpriced but seem to do things well. You may use your Total Rewards card at parity in all food outlets except for Starbucks where they are redeemed at a 2-1 ratio. The buffet is $26 for dinner/$20 for lunch which includes PST and GST. The buffet is very good and is comparable to the Harrah's in Atlantic City or Las Vegas. They usually do not have shrimp or other high-end items, but I did get calamari the last time I was there. I am a big fan of their fried smelts.
Casinos MGM is the largest casino and has been the market leader since it opened. Its monthly revenue is in the $45m range. It offers the greatest amount of table games and slots, and I would say the best gaming atmosphere as well. The casino has high ceilings and can get stiflingly smoky at times, so I would warn against going if you are sensitive to smoke. (Motor City actually has the best ventilation system.) The crowd here is your white suburban type, although it is by no means limited to that demographic. There are four full-sized gaming pits, and a surfeit of slots laid out in a circular pattern around a center bar. Table games include Blackjack, Pai Gow Poker, Craps, 3-card, Carribean Stud, Spanish 21 (H17), Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em, Double Exposure Blackjack(!), Baccarat, and Roulette. The baccarat tables are quite nice as they are the low Macau-style however you cannot handle the cards. Blackjack rules are eight-deck, H17, DAS, Re-split to four hands including aces. At $25 a hand you can get six-deck S17. Mimimums are $10 for craps with 3x4x5x odds. BJ is sometimes $10, usually $15. Everything else is $10/sometimes $15. The video poker selection is mostly absymal; nothing to recommend except 99.95% payback Pick 'Em Poker at the dollar level. Cashback is .167% on VP which is standard across all the Detroit properties. I can't speak to slots. Comps at MGM are discretionary with no rhyme or reason as to how they are meted out, which is standard for MGM properties. From my observations, however, they are extremely stingy. Do not expect anything unless you are a high roller. There is a high-limit room with $100 BJ, $50 midi-bacc, and single-zero roulette (sorry, I don't know the minimum for the roulette).
Motor City is the 'hip' casino with an urban vibe. They play Motown/DJ music exclusively in the casino. They offer the same games and rules as MGM, except without some of the oddball games. You can always find a $10 blackjack table here. For some reason, Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em is wildly popular here and they sometimes have four or five tables open. They also deal Casino War. Craps is $10/3x4x5x. The best video poker game is 9/6 Jacks in quarters, but you have to hunt for it as it is only available as a single-line option on some of the multiline games. There may be other, better games available, but I haven't checked. From my observation, Motor City is generous with their comp dollars, and it is not hard to score a couple bucks for a meal after a minimal amount of play. However, their food options are so limited it is almost not worth it. They also have an overpriced gift shop where you can spend your comp dollars. Alcoholic beverages are not comped (nor are they anywhere in Detroit or Canada), nor may you use your comp dollars to purchase alcohol. There is a high limit rooms with identical games to MGM, but they also have a craps table.
Greektown is the 'party' casino, and also has the most degenerates. It can be fun if you are in the right frame of mind. The casino is rather cramped and crowded, and the pits are laid out poorly. They spread all the usual games including Blackjack Switch (bad rules) and they have an actual craps tub! You must sit down while playing at the tub and only six players are allowed. It's a fun gambling experience. Craps are $10/3x4x5x. BJ is $15 mostly. The best video poker is NSUD at 99.72% payback in quarters and up. Comp dollars accumulate at about .2% of action, so it's not a bad gamble when you add in cashback. The high-limit room offers free drinks to players and has $25 minimum BJ with S17 rules, which is quite good for the player, at a .34% edge. All four casinos in the Detroit area have self-serve fountain beverages and coffee (not fresh-brewed; from concentrate).
Caesars Windsor is a smoke-free casino that tries hard to be classy but is more often boring. They deal all the usual games including Let it Ride and Spanish 21 (S17), as well as Mississippi Stud and a few other oddballs. Craps is $5 with 5x odds, and the table max goes to $50,000(!). Blackjack is $10/usually $15. Oddballs are $5. Video poker is not worth mentioning, unless you find 7/5 Jacks desirable. Harrah's Total Rewards program returns about .05% of action, which is stingy. However, Caesars Windsor is always offering some sort of promotion or giveaway of some sort which can be quite lucrative if you take advantage of them. Caesars Windsor is really hurting for business now that competition has increased and it is very possible to score free room offers with substantial low to middle level play. Only Canadian money is accepted at the tables and slots. The cage will change your money over to Canadian at a fair rate, but will take a substantial vig when you try to change it back to U.S.
Sorry, I can't comment on the poker at any of the casinos.
Other Stuff Valet parking is free at all four Detroit Casinos. Otherwise free self parking is available in a garage. A passport is required to cross into Canada and back again. The toll is $4 each way on the bridge or tunnel. Caesars Windsor and Motor City both have showrooms with touring entertainment. Caesars Windsor get the typical casino acts like Air Supply, Neil Sedaka, and other acts for the upper-middle aged/geriatric set. Motor City's Soundboard is an intimate venue which compares favorably with Pearl and The Joint in Las Vegas. I saw Steely Dan perform there and the acoustics were excellent. I was also able to get right up to the stage next to the performers, which was fantastic. Motor City also has a lounge with professional musical entertainment every day of the week. Many of these acts are really very good, like a Temptations knock-off or a British Invasion tribute band.
'Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe.' -Rig Veda 10.34.4
pacomartin
MGM Detroit (MGMDT) made $514 million in CY2009 and $90 million in operating income. In terms of total revenue MGMDT exceeded 5 of their 9 Las Vegas strip casinos, and in terms of operating income exceeded 7 out of 9 (all but Bellagio and MGM GRAND). In terms of operating income as a percentage it also exceeded 7 out of 9 properties.
So it is a pretty healthy portion of the company.
With Steve Wynn moving into downtown Philadelphia there may be a move towards urban casinos around the country. With a destination resort as small as M Resort in Las Vegas costing $1 billion to construct, and I believe all of these urban casinos costing much less the choice seems brainless. As long as enough states keep changing their laws.
Wizard
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Nice post, thanks. My one and only trip to Detroit was in 1989, before they allowed casinos there, so I can't comment. I'm quoting your whole post, less the pictures, because I had to horizontally scroll to read it. I'll let JB know about it.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
OneAngryDwarf
Good reviews, thanks a lot. Was thinking of posting some myself but these are much better than I could do, especially since I've never stayed in any of the hotels.
You are right that MGM has several oddball Blackjack variants, including Double Exposure. They also recently added Blackjack Switch, dealt from an actual shoe, which is nice (Greektown's uses a constant shuffle machine). Another game I noticed there that I've never seen or heard of before called 'Two-Way Monte.' The dealer basically explained that it was kind of like 3-Card Poker, except that the player gets two 3-card hands and can bet on either one to win. I had already done well at the craps table though, and didn't really feel like playing a high-edge carny game so I didn't try it out. Anyone else have more info on this game?
Also, I like the fact that Motor City's Blackjack tables have no sucker sidebets on the layout, even on the low-limit tables. Take heed, though, that the one $10 game you mentioned is usually dealt from a CSM.

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makeshots22
Has anyone ever seen a $5 craps table at any Detroit casino?
rudeboyoi
i never heard of a craps table being in a highlimit room. thats kind of interesting.
teddys

Has anyone ever seen a $5 craps table at any Detroit casino?


Never. You can only find them at Caesars Windsor. This is not likely to change.
'Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe.' -Rig Veda 10.34.4
makeshots22

Never. You can only find them at Caesars Windsor. This is not likely to change.


Why not? Just supply and demand?
Tiltpoul

Another game I noticed there that I've never seen or heard of before called 'Two-Way Monte.' The dealer basically explained that it was kind of like 3-Card Poker, except that the player gets two 3-card hands and can bet on either one to win. I had already done well at the craps table though, and didn't really feel like playing a high-edge carny game so I didn't try it out. Anyone else have more info on this game?


This is perhaps the CRAZIEST game I have EVER seen (and I study games like there's no tomorrow!) Here are the rules in a nutshell. First the layout...
Picture Four Card Poker... There's an Ante bet, and a Play bet, which you can bet 1-3x the Ante after seeing your hand. Up on the top, there is a 'Low Hand bonus'. This gets paid if your low hand has a pair or better.
So the player gets 6 cards; from that, the player must create two three-card hands: a high hand and low hand, where the high hand must beat the low hand. The rules follow standard 3-card rules, that is a straight beats a flush, etc.
After separating the two hands, the player must decide if they want to stay in. If they choose to, they must bet AT LEAST 1x the Ante bet; however, if they like the strength of the hand, they can bet up to 3x.
The dealer then exposes his hand, which has 4 cards, to make the best three card hand. At this point, both the player's low hand AND high hand MUST BEAT the dealer. If not, the player loses the Ante and Play. The dealer always qualifies.
Bonus payouts on the Low Hand Bonus are paid regardless of the outcome. If the low hand has a pair or better, it gets paid odds... (this is from memory so I could be wrong here). Pair=1-1, Flush=4-1 (?), Straight= 10-1, Trips = 100-1, Straight Flush= 200-1. The Ante also pays a bonus, paid regardless, on Straights or better, but I don't remember the payouts at all. Basically, it's REALLY hard to hit anything higher than a pair on that bonus.
Crazy game... I'm curious about the odds on it. MGM Grand Detroit is the only casino that offers the game, and they nearly always offer it at 5 dollar min.
BTW, Kudos to MGM Grand Detroit for offering Ultimate Texas Hold'Em at the optimal Trips payout. Motor City offers the standard 8-6-5, while Greektown offers the less than desirable 8-7-4.
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OneAngryDwarf
Actually, and I have no idea if this is a regular occurrence or mere happenstance--I did encounter a $5 craps game at Greektown in the *very* early morning. Once 9AM or so rolled around, though, it promptly became $10.

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etr102
I'm sorry if this topic has been beaten to death already.
First of all, I'm not foolish enough to think that any strategy can alter the HE in any way. I know for a fact that in the long term, Craps is negative expectation no matter what betting strategy I come up with.
I don't know the correct math terminology for this, but I'm just looking for the best option to give me the best chance of being ahead a couple hundred dollars short term, and then me having the intelligence to walk away before I give it all back.
I generally play at Caesars Windsor. Windsor offers 5x odds on all points and typically has $5 tables on weeknights. When the table is $5, Caesars Windsor allows you to round up to $30 in odds on the 5 and 9 to allow the math to work out evenly on payouts.
When playing free craps simulators where money is no object, I seem to have success using a Continuous Come system. $5 Pass line bet, max odds, $5 Come bet, Max Odds, Come bet, Max Odds, rinse and repeat until the 7-out. Ideally, I like to pull all my odds down when I get a feeling that the 7 is coming, but I'm not delusional enough to think that I can actually predict the future.
The disaster is when I establish a pass line point and 5 come line bets, all with max odds, the 7 shows up and $190 disappears. Thankfully this rarely happens. The most common scenario is the 7 out comes up early causing a $30-50 loss, or several repeating numbers come up causing several wins. If I have the foresight to pull down all my odds after a nice series of repeating numbers but before the 7 shows up, there can be a nice big profit.
Since I live 5 minutes from the Casino, having the occasional short session isn't that big of a deal. Like I said, I just want the best chance of having a short term gain so that I can quite while I'm ahead.
Is the Continuous Come an effective strategy for this? Or is a strategy where the Come bets stop after 3 numbers are covered more effective?
What kind of bankroll would you suggest for Continuous Come on a $5 5x (all points) table?
cowboy
My biggest wins have come from betting this way, but they've been rare.
I have run simulations of some different betting styles and with the following conditions have found the four highest win percentages to be as follows:
Conditions:
$5 table, $200 bankroll, leave when up $250 (the 'target') or were close and then lost one hundred back, or got busted, or have played about 5 hours (based on 110 rolls per hour).
Results: (Win % is the percent of sessions where a profit occurred)
Place the 6 and 8, never press:
Win % 40.26 Avg Win $154.93 Avg Loss $136.11 Hit Target 10.6% Busted 47%
Place the 6 and 8, never press, working on come-out:
Win % 39.77 Avg Win $155.68 Avg Loss $136.61 Hit Target 10.7% Busted 47.6%
Pass plus two Come bets, 1X odds:
Win % 39.62 Avg Win $171.56 Avg Loss $141.88 Hit Target 13.3% Busted 49.8%
Pass plus two Come bets, 1X odds, working on come-out:
Win % 39.41 Avg Win $176.70 Avg Loss $143.51 Hit Target 14.1% Busted 50.8%
Interesting thing here is that working the come-out did not raise the win percentage but did increase profit when profit occurred.
drjohnny

I'm just looking for the best option to give me the best chance of being ahead a couple hundred dollars short term, and then me having the intelligence to walk away before I give it all back.


Consider playing the don't with 10x odds.
I've completed over 10,000 practice rolls at home and I have turned an imaginary bankroll of $1600 into $2100 every single session without busting out. Some sessions were a real grind after going $1K into the hole, but I've always managed to hit my goal of $500 profit.

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7craps completed several 1M session WinCraps simulations of turning $2000 into $2500 before busting out and his success rate was about 78%.
So far this strategy is working better than expected in the casino and I'm averaging at least $200 profit per hour at the $5 tables without ever coming close to busting out.

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7craps

7craps completed several 1M session WinCraps simulations
of turning $2000 into $2500 before busting out and his success rate was about 78%.

And that 78% success rate can easily be applied to any number of sessions played.
Let's say drjohnny claims to have won 48 out of 50 sessions.
would any one believe him at face value??
Well that is not even close to 78% but by my book, I would have to believe him as it is within the bell curve.
The standard deviation of 78% over 50 trials would be 5.8583% (right?)

so a 3SD range is close to 95.6% or 48 out of 50 (96 out of 100)
of course, 480 out of 500 session wins would be a way different story if DrJohnny claimed that one.

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one can do the math or just a binomial probability calculator would work too.
go johnny go!
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
odiousgambit

would any one believe him at face value??


That's a touchy subject, there's always some who don't buy it and throw in a bit of envy with that disbelief.
I'll take his claims, with a grain of salt. If money was on the line, it'd be 'trust but verify'
the only thing that sounds 'off' to where I wonder, is what I'm interpreting as a lack of volatility in his reports... then again, there's all this 'home statistics' stuff that IMO isn't worth the powder to blow it up [g]. At the casino, we have seen some of that discipline wilt already, no?
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etr102
I gave the continuous come a try last night and did okay. $300 bankroll. It's impossible to know when the 7 is coming up, but I decided to pull all of my odds down once I got 'uncomfortable' with the amount of exposed money on the table (ie 5 or so numbers covered, all with 5x odds). I ended up missing out on 1 or 2 winning come bets (who's odds were removed) before the 7 showed up. The amount of money I would have won keeping my odds up longer was significantly less than $170+ I would have lost keeping them up.
I was up $240 within about 20 minutes and I walked away satisfied with my profit.
Obviously the above scenario isn't the guaranteed outcome, but so far, so good.